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Ari, If you don’t think the freefall speed of the building collapses, and the pyroclastic flows are irrefutable proof that YOUR version of Occam’s Razor is silly, you really need a refresher on Physics 1A.
COMMENT #133 [Permalink]… Robert Lockwood Mills said on 5/16/2006 @ 3:17 pm PT…
Several people have mentioned the “grassy knoll” of J.F.K./assassination fame. Because of the insistence on the part of the mainstream (corporate) media that Oswald acted alone, which conforms to L.B.J.’s directive to the Warren Commission (“Oswald acted alone, make sure you reach that conclusion”), the Zapruder film has more or less faded into historical obscurity.
The Zapruder film proved CONCLUSIVELY that the fatal shot that struck Kennedy came from 2 o’clock relative to the Book Depository (Oswald’s location).J.F.K.’s head was blown open and his brain matter sprayed leftward (on top of Jackie). Unless the laws of Newtonian physics have been repealed, that means the fatal shot did not come from Oswald’s rifle or from the Book Depository.
That’s the simple truth, folks. You can kick it around, spit on it, urinate on it, debate it, do anything you want with it. But it remains the truth.
Does this prove a cover-up regarding 9/11? No, but it proves that governments can’t be trusted to tell the truth. Including the U.S. Government. Sorry if that makes me a traitor, trolls.
COMMENT #134 [Permalink]… Mike said on 5/16/2006 @ 3:24 pm PT…
That silver streak you guys saw was not a 747 but some kind of business jet sized plane like a Lear.
COMMENT #135 [Permalink]… Brian said on 5/16/2006 @ 3:29 pm PT…
i agree about more pentagon angles. This is the pentagon. From wht i have seen you or i could just walk up to the building slap some C4 on the wall and run off. The only way to get caught would be if those security cameras could positively ID us. The worlds most secure building and this is what we are supposed to believe. The stinks even more of a cover up. Come on people, no matter what you believe, you have to believe there is more footage. And that shows our gov’t is keeping secrets. To think that doesnt make me an expert it just makes me rational.
COMMENT #136 [Permalink]… Plunger said on 5/16/2006 @ 3:29 pm PT…
The ONLY way I can picture this missile having been fired at this trajectory is from a horizontal tube concealed UNDER the highway ramp built into a burmed hillside.
I haven’t seen the area, so I don’t know if that is even feasible, but it is surely more feasible than flying a 757 on a flat trajectory at 6′ off the deck having just cleared a roadway that is higher than this flight path…HAVING NEVER FLOWN ONE BEFORE.
Anybody?
COMMENT #137 [Permalink]… Robert Lockwood Mills said on 5/16/2006 @ 3:36 pm PT…
I’m no aviation expert, but to accept the official version of what happened at the Pentagon on 9/11 is to believe a fairy tale about an amateur pilot who performed a feat of aviation legerdemain that most professional pilots wouldn’t even attempt, let alone carry out.
Does saying that make me a crackpot? A conspiracy nut? A liberal? O.K., I’m all of the above.Good.
COMMENT #138 [Permalink]… Cyteria said on 5/16/2006 @ 3:45 pm PT…
Brad,Please stay away from this one. It can only hurt your credibility. I’m entirely satisfied that a plane was hijacked and flown into the Pentagon, just as three others were hijacked the same day.
COMMENT #139 [Permalink]… Susan said on 5/16/2006 @ 3:48 pm PT…
Ari and Mike J,You really cannot dismiss the collapse of WTC7 with such ease. It IS the smoking gun on 911. That’s why the 911 commission refused to investigate it. Please refer to this website and watch the videos of the collapse.
http://911research.Wtc7.Net/wtc/attack/wtc7.Html
Then compare that collapse to the remains of the other surrounding buildings. Look at the info on WTC6
http://911research.Wtc7.Net/wtc/attack/wtc6.Html
which had raging fires throught the building and extensive damage from falling debris. It did not collapse in one smooth fall. It is broken up and parts remain standing and others destoyed – in other words, it fell just like one would expect a steel frame and concrete building to fall under such circumstances. Clearly, WTC7 was demolished. Why? Just start there. If ANYONE can give me a good explation (and I do want one) for that building collapsing the way that it did, then I will stop screaming foul. So far, no one has.
And don’t even try the fires and debris argument. That has been so refuted. Like I said, even the 911 Commission knew not brush it under that carpet.
COMMENT #140 [Permalink]… Plunger said on 5/16/2006 @ 3:50 pm PT…
…Cyteria said on 5/16/2006 @ 3:45pm PT…
Brad,Please stay away from this one. It can only hurt your credibility. I’m entirely satisfied that a plane was hijacked and flown into the Pentagon, just as three others were hijacked the same day.
Nice to see you, Karl!
What day do we bomb Iran?
COMMENT #141 [Permalink]… Wes said on 5/16/2006 @ 3:50 pm PT…
What a massive disappointment. Answers absoutely nothing.
The exact same frame being purported as new and finally released (i.E., the one with the blurry streak in it) is identical to the frame initially released in 2002 by the Pentagon:
http://news.Bbc.Co.Uk/1/…Rld/americas/1861977.Stm(note the first frame).
It’s outrageous and insulting to assume that this farce of a “video” (more of a slideshow) will settle anything.
COMMENT #142 [Permalink]… Anon said on 5/16/2006 @ 3:51 pm PT…
Flight 93 was an integral part of the very successful mass hypnotic induction that took place on 9/11.Steps to hypnosis1) Willingly hypnotizable subjects – stage hypnotists always pick the first people to raise their hands, basically everyone who voted for Bush in 2000.2) Focussed attention – first plane hits, everyone turns on TV, pays rapt attention, just like watching a pendulum.3) Rapid induction – sudden shock of watching 2nd plane hit generates immediate altered state of consciousness.4) Trance deepening – usually done by having the subject walk down a flight of stairs in their mind, on 9/11 repeated news reports of people running down the steps in the towers, then followed by the actual towers coming down, repeat on TV as often as possible to further deepen trance all afternoon.5)Hypnotic suggestions designed to create desired state of mind – in this case fear, by showing pictures of 19 scary terrorists and spreading story of heroic passengers fighting hijackers.6) Test depth of trance – usually done with a pin to check numbness of skin, on 9/11 done with collapse of WTC 7.7) Post-hypnotic suggestion – at mention of 9/11 will squawk with fear, rather like a chicken, minus the silly arm flapping, substitute flag waving instead.8) Reinforce trance at later date – use fake news stories and movies like Flight 93 if some people start to wake up and discover the truth. Stage another false flag terrorist attack if poll ratings drop too low and there is talk of impeachment.
COMMENT #143 [Permalink]… Simon Magus said on 5/16/2006 @ 3:52 pm PT…
Ask Questions and demand truth! This poor quality video is not the only one available and they know it. Why are they keeping the other tapes a secret?
WHAT ARE THEY REALLY HIDING???
COMMENT #144 [Permalink]… Plunger said on 5/16/2006 @ 3:57 pm PT…
Autopsy: No Arabs on Flight 77By Thomas R. Olmsted, M.D
http://www.Sierratimes.C…2/article_tro.Htm…
I am an ex Naval line officer and a psychiatrist in private practice in New Orleans, a Christian and homeschool dad. It troubled me a great deal that we rushed off to war on the flimsiest of evidence. I considered various ways to provide a smoking gun of who and why Sept 11th happened. Astute observers noticed right away that there were no Arabic sounding names on any of the flight manifests of the planes that “crashed” on that day.
A list of names on a piece of paper is not evidence, but an autopsy by a pathologist, is. I undertook by FOIA request, to obtain that autopsy list and you are invited to view it below. Guess what? Still no Arabs on the list. It is my opinion that the monsters who planned this crime made a mistake by not including Arabic names on the original list to make the ruse seem more believable.
When airline disasters occur, airlines will routinely provide a manifest list for anxious families. You may have noticed that even before Sep 11th, that airlines are pretty meticulous about getting an accurate headcount before takeoff. It seems very unlikely to me, that five Arabs sneaked onto a flight with weapons.This is the list provided by American of the 56 passengers:
COMMENT #145 [Permalink]… Plunger said on 5/16/2006 @ 3:57 pm PT…
Resurrected HijackersSeveral Suicide Hijackers Later Turn Up Alive in the Middle East
Of the 19 alleged hijackers identified by the FBI, at least six turned up alive after the attack. The FBI’s identifications included names, photographs, and, in several cases, other personal details — all of which matched the six persons who surfaced after the attack to proclaim their innocence.Abdulaziz Alomari
Abdulaziz Alomari was identified by the FBI as the hijacker who accompanied Mohamed Atta from the connecting flight from Portland and helped him hijack and pilot Flight 11 into the North Tower. Abdulaziz told the London-based Asharq Al-Awsat newspaper: “The name [listed by the FBI] is my name and the birth date is the same as mine, but I am not the one who bombed the World Trade Center in New York.” 1 Saudi Embassy officials in Washington defended the innocence of Alomari, saying that his passport was stolen in 1996 and that he had reported the theft to the police. 2Saeed Alghamdi
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