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Answers: I don’t, yes, and no respectively. I am searching for truth, but I don�t claim to know anything for certain. But I have contempt for folks who intentionally try to obfuscate or avoid pursuing truth, or are so intellectually lazy that they allow conflicting thoughts to wallow in their skulls forever, or believe something just so they can be members of some club or group.

I don’t have any problem with Buddists, Christians, Jews, Hindus, Sikhs, Agnostics like Unitarians, Sufis, etc. As I stated, I honor the sincere beliefs of decent religious folks. By secular humanism, I’m refering to folks like those at the ACLU who persecute all people of (western) faith, the Boy Scouts, any evidence or display of religion, and all that is decent and good in our culture. And yes my contempt for the ACLU *spit* is pretty close to hatred.

But I welcome the opinions of people who disagree with me, because I always learn something. Sometimes what I learn is how to better articulate my thoughts. Right now I would welcome the arguments from someone trying to defend the despicable actions of the ACLU.

COMMENT #337 [Permalink]… Kevin said on 12/14/2005 @ 2:37 pm PT…

Freedom Fan:

Thanks for the tag help. I was doing something on another forum earlier, and I guess I thought it transferred over. Never thought to hit preview– much less noticed the button existed. Thanks a lot, again.

Now, on to your points.

I really don’t think anyone’s got it quite right, yet– and certainly there are no ideas that are superior to any other. To me, there are only ideas that work, and ideas that do not work, in getting a society to whatever place it wants to be. For instance, in a society that wants to keep complete control of the people, freedom of the press would not be a good way of going about getting there. But, in a society that wants to give people equal opportunity to voice their opinions, freedom of press would be a good way to get it there. See what I mean?

Now, since we live in a society that, at least on a constitutional level, seems to desire that its people live in peace, both nationally and internationally, and that, in some philosophical sense– judging by the ends that pretty much all political maneuverings seem to be pushing for — individual freedom, national freedom, safety from harm, equal opportunity to all individuals (and I don’t mean by means such as the EOP, which, in my opinion, tend to exacerbate the problem) to make what they will of their lives, and the end of war and poverty and suffering through one means or another, then, no, I do not believe that our way of doing things currently works.

We still fight wars– and some of us claiming that these acts of incredible violence are inspired by God! And there is still hunger– and some would say that it is their lot in life, while some of the richest countries in the world have more money than they could ever need. And there is still torture, and repression, and violence against innocent people– and this all goes on depiste our best efforts to eradicate it.

What does this speak to you? To me, it appears that, if the problem is not being solved, then the way we are trying to solve it is not working. Would you not say this of a math equation? If one formula does not yield the answer you seek, it would only be logical to retrace your steps, see where the problem had an error, and correct it– or, perhaps, if it is a more complex problem, try another formula all together! There are so many different ways to approach a problem or any sort– mathematical or international, political or social, religious or personal –that to continue to use the same method of solving the problem when it no longer seems to work appears highly illogical to me. Indeed, there is no one way to solve a problem, but perhaps there is a way that works better.

Take Sweden for example: their infant mortality rate is amongst the lowest in the world, and southern Greece has one of the longest average life spans in the world– and they’re both ‘Western,’ fully-developed countries! What does this speak to you? It does not mean that the ideas displayed by these countries are superior to our own, but if what we want to give our people is a long, healthy life and the greater chance to survive birth, in these cases, then it would be more functional to interpret and adapt the ideas displayed by these countries, because it simply works better, given what we want to be, do, or have.

COMMENT #338 [Permalink]… John Martin said on 12/19/2005 @ 3:24 pm PT…

Jesus was a Democrat??? Given that the major planks of the Democratic party are abortion on demand, assisted auicide, legalized dope and gay marriage, I think The Son of God may have taken issue with the leadership of the Democratic Party. I am constantly amazed by the intolerance of those who preach tolerance, the ignorance of those who preach enlightenment and the hypocracy of those who preach their own virtues. Liberals are self-serving by nature. They all feel that they owe a great debt to mankind, and have no qualms about robbing my bank account to pay it. Ann Coulter is simply an attractive, sharp-witted legal mind who uses satire and humor to point out the glaring inconsistencies between what liberals preach and what they practice. She takes no prisoners and gives no quarter to the slimeballs like Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, Michael Moore and Howard Dean. Give’em Hell Ann!

COMMENT #339 [Permalink]… SAR said on 12/25/2005 @ 10:08 pm PT…

Actually, John Martin, the major planks of the Democratic party are freedom of speech, freedom of religion, separation of church and state, environmentalism, universal health care, elder’s rights and women’s rights.

I would not think that Jesus would be favorable toward the major planks of the Republican party, now that it has been taken over by the Religious Right — bigotry, torture, wars based on lies, gay-bashing, elimination of the middle class and the formation of a two-class system: the ultra-rich and the very poor (who are servants of the ultra-rich), the sexual double standard, and the subjugation of women. That all of this is done in Jesus’s name would be especially repugnant to him. Dubya Bush, Pat Robertson, Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, Jerry Falwell, et al are actually far closer in spirit to the people who wanted Jesus crucified than to Jesus himself.

As for liberals robbing your bank account — wake up! The current RIGHT-WING regime has been robbing your bank account for almost six years, to pay for tax cuts for the wealthy and for this needless, wasteful war in Iraq, the rationale for which shifts weekly.

Ann Coulter is a foul, shrill hatemonger (and she is not in the least attractive, unless you’re into mannish-looking, horse-faced anorexics with overprocessed, stringy hair) whose idea of “humor” is sick, hypocritical, and vicious. She does not “take on” the people you identify as slimeballs. She is too cowardly for that. She insults them and then accuses them of doing what she is doing.

Oh, and your statements of “intolerance by those who preach tolerance, the ignorance of those who preach englightenment, and hypocrisy” (that’s how it’s spelled, not “hypocracy,” as you IGNORANTLY think) “of those who preach their own virtues” actually applies to people such as Coulter and her fellow extreme right-wing apologists.

These are the ones who are trying to ram their sick, twisted version of Christianity down all our throats, under the guise of enlightenment. They whine about how they are victims of intolerance and demand that their voices be heard (although they’re heard all the time), while trying to silence the voices of anyone who dissents from them. They preach virtue while not even coming close to living virtuously themselves.

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